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Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 14, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

i ran the R/W and it is brilliant, everybody seemed to think they were really bad. did anybody actually sit down and play with the builds?
http://www.1up.com/media?id=2348483

White Designs · Oct 14, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Who would want to play such a garbage character?

Jenosavel · Oct 14, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

The R/W was one of the worst ones. Allow me to raise a few questions.

First off, it's obviously a PvP build, because if it were for PvE there'd be absolutely no reason not to run it as a W/R instead. The added AL is invaluable when on the front lines.

9 Tactics without a single Tactics skill?
Cyclone Axe in PvP? When do key targets all clump up for you?
Using an axe without 16 axe mastery? That's a hell of a hit to your damage.
Ranger primary for Expertise? Ha! All of the attacks but Cyclone Axe (which I addressed above), use adrenaline not energy. Way to solve a problem that didn't exist...
The damage gained through Apply Poison doesn't even begin to compare to the damage lost in those 4 points of Axe Mastery and the usual 10 or so strength.

So... if by "brilliant" you mean "different" or "creative," then yeah, the R/W build is brilliant. However, I tend to view "brilliant" as meaning "effiecient" or "best option." The build is neither of those things.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 15, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

well i used it and it was brilliant. the tactics effects other (read descrip) skills and allows the use of a sheild, there are 2 stances which allow for +20% damage all the time, along with 45 hp and -2 damage. you never run out of adrenaline and can easilly spam all of your attack skills. anyway i actually tried it and my stats from g stats were 56 kills:3 deaths. thats why i asked if anyone else used it, you can 'theorycraft' all you want...

ManadartheHealer · Oct 15, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1Up

You may substitute Light of Dwayna for HoH PvP Builds

LMFAO

As you can see, they were never serious about giving REAL builds

AeroLion · Oct 15, 2005, 01:21 AM // 01:21

The R/W was one of the worst build I've ever seen anywhere. Where did you win? Random Arena? Try that build in Tombs or GVG and see how quickly you are rendered useless.

Also, even if you were running in random, there are so many builds out there that would be much more effective that the crap Anet told to 1up. This isn't theorycraft. It's a fact.

Eonwe · Oct 15, 2005, 01:27 AM // 01:27

All of those builds are actually quite terrible.

pagansaint · Oct 15, 2005, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Quiet terrible.

Sword for a R/W.... And you BEGIN to have a build that works...

BBoy_Manchild · Oct 15, 2005, 01:34 AM // 01:34

R/W is good for random arena, but in team when they start bringing anti stance and removers this build is garbage, so if you wanna have a lil fun in lions arch arena this is the way to go, other then that, have fun being stomped like the ant

cookiehoarder · Oct 15, 2005, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenosavel

The R/W was one of the worst ones. Allow me to raise a few questions.

First off, it's obviously a PvP build, because if it were for PvE there'd be absolutely no reason not to run it as a W/R instead. The added AL is invaluable when on the front lines.

9 Tactics without a single Tactics skill?
Cyclone Axe in PvP? When do key targets all clump up for you?
Using an axe without 16 axe mastery? That's a hell of a hit to your damage.
Ranger primary for Expertise? Ha! All of the attacks but Cyclone Axe (which I addressed above), use adrenaline not energy. Way to solve a problem that didn't exist...
The damage gained through Apply Poison doesn't even begin to compare to the damage lost in those 4 points of Axe Mastery and the usual 10 or so strength.

So... if by "brilliant" you mean "different" or "creative," then yeah, the R/W build is brilliant. However, I tend to view "brilliant" as meaning "effiecient" or "best option." The build is neither of those things.

9 tactics for the sheild genius, I know it's not the best way to spend attributes, but there is why they did it.

AeroLion · Oct 15, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40

And that's a ridiculously stupid reason to spend 9 points in an attribute outside of the primary profession. Stop trying to defend it like it was a good decision.

pagansaint · Oct 15, 2005, 02:43 AM // 02:43

LoL.

Grab any req 4/5 shield with 10 some AL and a bonus and drop the extra points into Expertise.

It works rather well.

Hanuman li Tosh · Oct 15, 2005, 04:53 AM // 04:53

its amazing how many people will say something doesent work without trying it. its par for the course tho, ive been told that its impossible to win the hall with smite, iway, and ranger spike on these very forums. lol.

oh and 2 other things...

1. it doesent say builds gaurenteed to win the hall every time, it says "looking for a good character build? here a a few of arena nets favorites...". Probably becasue they have fun playing them...

2. GW is about teamwork, if you think one character build alone can win the hall or get your guild ranked GG.

Arathorn5000 · Oct 15, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

It's just plainly a bad build. Can you have success with awful builds in arenas? Of course. Can you have success with awful builds in HoH? Of course. But for reasons already pointed out, the alternatives to this build are so much better.

smurfhunter · Oct 15, 2005, 09:15 AM // 09:15

actually, im reasonably sure a team with intelligent players and excellant teamwork can do quite well regardless of the build (assuming its not like thaaat bad)

but then why would you want to use worse builds than you could? doesnt make sense to me.

Schorny · Oct 15, 2005, 11:11 AM // 11:11

This build isn't the worst build ever. It does ok damage. It does fewer damage than a standard warrior - but the damage loss is not that big. So I think it won't matter that much in a good team.

You can easily prove that this build is bad, by doing a bit math. Calculate the damage this build does and compare it to a 'standard' warrior build.

Slade xTekno · Oct 15, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

The problem with R/W is that it is incapable of the Warrior's spike damage. Yes, it could run Eviscerate/Executioner's, but it doesn't have the Strength to make it work well.

R/Ws are best at consistant damage, like a sword would do. They can consistantly spam attack skills that add damage. If you run this next to a W/Mo Axe Spiker, you can easily take down a target.

A small note that someone may want to try; substitute your KD Hammer Warrior for a KD Hammer R/W that spams Irresistable Blow. Since the Protection Monk is now standard in most 8v8 builds, KD from the IB should be easy to do consistantly.

BBoy_Manchild · Oct 17, 2005, 03:45 AM // 03:45

i have tried every sort of r/w build i could think of, cause at one time i thought it was pretty fun being a ranger with their stances, until the time when people brought anti stances and i had my ass handed back to me more then i would their's back to them, R/W is garbage and thats that

pagansaint · Oct 17, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

LoL, haven't played some of the more niche and team oriented ones then I take it.

beginners_luck · Oct 17, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Best reason to play a R/W is for Throw Dirt and the extra energy for sword and hammer attacks like was mentioned. And the armor kicks ass against elemental damage. Otherwise, warrior's the way to go for melee in most cases.